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That same flag was found on the ‘Vlootschouw’
pages, in real life – rectangular flag on photo of the ‘MVS Antigoon’ –
and as a drawing, but now in pennant shape. It was identified as
the house flag of Oranje Verzekeringen. Website
of this company with offices in Groningen and Zwijndrecht:
In 1905, six Dutch shippers wanted to extend their area of operations
to Denmark. Because normal insurance premiums were excessively high,
they decided to found a mutual insurance company with the patriotic name,
Oranje. After some years, the definitive name ‘Oranje Onderlinge Verzekering
van Schepen’ (Orange Mutual Ships’ Insurance) was introduced.
Still going strong, Oranje is a premier inland navigation insurance company expanding into the pleasure craft and charter fleet market. This includes the well-known Dutch houseboats! (Traditional insurance contracts are offered as well.)
The company site shows on its logo a long penant. (This version
does not show the green stripe slightly smaller than the orange ones, as
seems to be the case
with the flag.)
Jan Mertens, 13 May 2006
Following Jan Mertens' report about a flag on Ebay I have sighted the
flag of that insurance company several times on ships in the Kostverlorenvaart
near my home in Amsterdam. Today I saw it once more on a touring ship for
elderly people, the "Vita-Pugna" based in Gennep in north Limburg. On the
stem the ship had a small penant, nearly identical to the flag of Oranje
Verzekeringen, except that the green stripe was tapering, and the "O" a
bit rectangular.
Jarig Bakker, 23 May 2006
While I was on Lundy, I took a photograph of a painting which hangs
in the vestibule of the Church. The photo didn't come out, unfortunately,
but it commemorates a Dutch coaster, the M.V. Atlas, of Groningen, and
her 2nd engineer, Fokko Smit, who lost his life when the ship was wrecked
on one of Lundy's notorious rocks during the second world war, in 1942.
The painting showed the vessel flying the Dutch national flag (not
an ensign) at the stern, and further forward (not at the bow) she is flying
a flag which I didn't recognise and cannot find on FOTW-ws. It is an orange
field with the Dutch national flag in the canton and a 3-digit number (the
ship's registration?) in white on the field.
The same flag, with no number, also appears above the inscription which
forms part of the painting, where it is shown crossed with the Dutch national
flag against an anchor.
André Coutanche, 17 Apr 2002
Just a guess: possibly a houseflag. Several Dutch shipping companies
had tricolors in the canton, some RWB, like the HSM,
Hollandsche Stoomboot Maatschappij, which had a white field with red capitals
HSM. In Groningen were very small companies, sometimes owning only one
coaster, and I suppose it will be hard to find the company. Which digits
are written on the field?
Jarig Bakker, 17 Apr 2002
This sounds like the flag of a Seaman's College (Zeemanscollege).
Several of them have a Dutch canton. The number would be the captain's
memberschip number.
But I don't know which one this would be. If the ship is from Groningen
one would expect a member of De Groninger Eendracht,
but then the flag would have been white, and the number would have been
preceded with "Gr". Of course, by 1949 the captain could well have been
from a town different from the ships home port.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 17 Apr 2002
I can say that the inscription says:
'In memory of Fokko Smit 2nd Engineer
and the crew of MV Atlas of Groningen
wrecked near the Shutter during the night of Octr 9/10 1942.
"The Sea is His and He made it".'
[The Shutter is a rock].
I didn't write down the number on the flag (assuming that I would have
it on the photo), but I am 99% certain that it consisted just of three
digits and no letters.
André Coutanche, 17 Apr 2002
The painting showed the vessel flying a flag - an orange field with
the Dutch national flag in the canton and a 3-digit number (the ship's
registration?) in white on the field.
The same flag, with no number, also appears above the inscription which
forms part of the painting, where it is shown crossed with the Dutch national
flag against an anchor.
I started doubting that it would be a Seaman's College, and started
thinking it might instead be a Compact, what we'd now call a mutual ships
insurance. But as it happens I never got around looking for the obvious.
So it is that, while I was off-list, without the connection being not(ic)ed,
Jan Mertens contributed the story of Oranje Verzekeringen (Orange Insurances).
Completely ignorant of this, around the same time, I was looking up some
insurance-data and noticed the very obvious answer: An insurance company
called "Oranje" (Orange).
I noticed that Oranje Verzekeringen might well have used an Orange flag with a Dutch canton. When I contacted them, and explained about the Lundy painting, they confirmed they had previously used such a flag. But they wrote they didn't have any knowledge of the painting, and that they no longer kept archives from that time. However, only a few days later, they contacted me again to inform me they had been in touch with the depot where their archive had been entered, and had been able to confirm that M.V. Atlas had indeed been insured by Oranje at that time.
This also settles the question I left open in the introduction of the
Zeemanscolleges: The Lundy painting of M.V.
Atlas demonstrates the existence of numbered member flags for at least
Oranje Verzekeringen.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 28 Jun 2008
Since I made the original report - six years ago - I have been back
to Lundy many times, and I have tried to take a better photograph of the
painting. At last, two years ago, I was there in the company of a competent
photographer as part of a week to celebrate the sixtieth anniversary of
the Lundy Field Society (LFS). At my request he took some decent photos
of the painting, though I didn't get around to sending them to the List.
I have now uploaded to the NL files section three photos showing the
picture and the relevant details (the pictures are taken at an angle to
prevent the surface reflecting back the flash which is necessary in the
dark entrance lobby to the church on Lundy).
I will report your research to colleagues in the LFS and it may then
be published as a note in our Newsletter.
André Coutanche, 28 Jun 2008
Note: see also Dutch Unidentified Flags or
Ensigns.